The Centrality of the Trinity. Now if it said he who believes that Jesus is God I would be with you but its clearly not what the whole Bible gives witness to. I agree with you a 100% Chris. NO WAY!! If this scripture doesn’t mean exactly what it says the whole Gospel is a lie. where’s the controversy over the three-in-one God? This response is directed at Pastor Hunter You pastor are denying who Jesus said he was and everyone who confessed he was {The Son of God} in the Bible. Consider, Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. I can tell you one thing its not going to be good! 22:6 and Rev. I mean have you ever considered these scriptures? THINK!!!! Verses that speak about His throne with the father. The Logical Problems of the Trinity Chapter 13. First of all, the doctrine of the Trinity states that Jesus is the Word become flesh–not the Trinity become flesh. Do you really want to call God a liar? He is Gods Anointed . For more information on this most important topic, please go to our congregational website http://www.thewordandtheway.net/son-of-god/, “The biggest and most fundamental problem with the doctrine of the Trinity is that its ultimate conclusion is that Jesus did not actually die and was not actually resurrected by the Father…” Total lie. Muslims often state that the Trinity doctrine lacks both common sense and logic. Acts 9:19 And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. He didn’t have it any more because of the next point…. 1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. One night as I was rummaging around in Rev. The confusion comes in because, as a man, he took on the form of a servant. That would make Jesus’s resurrection false and a lie with no meaning at all. The first is titled Yeshua is not YHVH http://www.hebrewrootsgroup.com/Archived%20Messages%20from%20Northland%20Hebrew%20Roots%20Group/yeshua-is-not-yhvh/ and the second is restoring Yeshua as Mediator http://www.hebrewrootsgroup.com/Archived%20Messages%20from%20Northland%20Hebrew%20Roots%20Group/restoring-yeshua-as-mediator/, The Septuagint (LXX) was written ~300 years before the coming of the Messiah and has a totally different read on Isaiah 9:6. While there are verses that sound like Yeshua is God, what He is is a sheliach, which is a representative of God. If this was a mere exclamation of surprise, what proof was it that Thomas believed? That’s why He says “the glory that I had”. Again, the smallest iota of logic dictates that a son is not his own father. Therefore it is not an accurate statement. If it is god you have seen god.) FIFTH: ANOTHER problem with the Trinity Doctrine is that it leaves no room for (and actually does away with) Christ's Actually being "BEGOTTEN" of the Father. Problems with the Trinity Q.8 But, hold on. Soooooooooooooooo Simple. It says right here you don’t believe the record HE GAVE of his SON. Jesus is Israel's husband (Rev 21:9). I just fixed the link to the longer pdf file up above explaining how the Trinity is actually impossible. Therefore I want you to think about something. A Unitarian is someone who believes that Yahweh alone is the only God and that Yeshua is His Created Son. Were talking about eternal life and death people! It doesn’t say God gave himself it says he gave his only begotten son. If God says this he is a blantant liar. Yup Eternal Life in this belief also. These definitions express three crucial truths: (1) the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct Persons, (2) each Person is fully God, (3) there is only one God.The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct Persons. For God is one, and there is one Mediator between God and man, the Man Christ Jesus, (1 Timothy 2:5). No longer equal to God, but obedient. The scripture says. John 5:18 implies that if God is his father, then He is equal to God correct? Most who use this phrase to identify themselves believe Yeshua didn’t exist until He was born. I happen to agree with the scholars that claim if you add to, YOU HAVE SUBTRACTED FROM, and vice versa. Solutions for Problems of the Week can be submitted to Professor Brian Miceli at bmiceli@trinity.edu. God is our (Christians) father. Pastor all your doing is wresting all those (few) scriptures your quoting which don’t confess that Jesus is God at all. Maybe you can sympathize with Robert Ingersol who wrote this reflection on the Trinity in The Classics of Free Thought:Christ, according to the faith, is the second person of the Trinity, the Father being the first, and the Holy Ghost the third. I just knew it was Christian and as soon as I heard Holy Trinity I got up and walked out not because I’m so full of wisdom and I’m a smart guy because I’m not and when people claim that I am , I say no no I’m not it is the HOLY SPIRIT , given me the discernment !! If Jesus wasn’t God, he shouldn’t have been worshiped (in Matthew 28:9,17) and shouldn’t have allowed Thomas to call him Lord God. AMEN ! Geee didnt Paul have it right? The Trinity is such a widely accepted doctrine that it is strange to see it challenged. LK 2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. If this was not the meaning of Thomas, then his exclamation was a mere act of profaneness, and the Saviour would not have commended him for taking the name of the Lord his God in vain. And He went a little further and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus. 19:10 AND in Rev. The entire foundation of the faith is that Messiah paid the price for our sins by dying an innocent death and being resurrected by the Father. This is Satan’s trick to take away your salvation. JN 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. St. John 20:18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the LORD, and that he had spoken these things unto her. If you find a verse in the NT that is a direct citation of the OT, you will find the Brenton wording to match much more closely than those rendered from the Masoretic Text. God is composed of three different beings, but one cannot be seen. No one in the whole bible says “Jesus is the Almighty God” Where is someone confessing this. (S2) The Son is God. If you believe that Jesus voluntarily left the Father, voluntarily became man, and voluntarily gave His life – 100% of it, died for our sins, stayed dead for around 72 hours, and was resurrected by the Father, then you don’t believe in the Trinity. And that would not be blasphemy to say that either. (Isaiah 43:11) And if Yahaweh (יהוה) is the “I Am,” how can Jesus claim to be the “I Am” unless he is God? (Colossians 2;9,10) God bless you to hear and receive the truth. ACTS 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. The trinity is no where in scripture it is purely the doctrine of man. Christ intercedes which means He is between us and the Father, advocating for us. thank the Lord , I thank the MOST HIGH. Here I am going to respond to selections of Kel’s article. Historically, most writers have held that even if the existence of God could be known by natural reason, his Trinitarian character could only be discovered through revelation. Please notice also the statement “he who believes not God has made him a liar”. His government shall be great, and of his peace there is no end: it shall be upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to support it with judgment and with righteousness, from henceforth and forever. Another interesting place to look is t all the salutations (beginnings) of the letters. 22:6, the angel sent in Rev. Required fields are marked *, Restitutio provides resources to get you thinking about biblical and historical Christianity, to inspire you to follow Christ, and to convict you to lead a consecrated life... more>>. No pious man would have allowed such language to be addressed to him. (JESUS IS NOT GOD. He had authority on earth that no prophet before every had and then at the end we see this: Mat 28:18  And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. He is the image of his Father/God. Yes, watched it twice actually. What’s your point? “I, even I, am Jehovah; and besides me there is no saviour.” The verse tells us God is the only savior, but yet Jesus is called savior? 1st John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. Not once in the entire new testament writings is he mentioned at the greetings or beginnings. Pastor I pray you come into the knowledge of the truth and confess that Jesus the the Son of the Almighty God!! Answer: Illustrating the Trinity is a noble goal, but it is ultimately an exercise in futility. God is the father of Jesus. Is the Trinity a problem? Most Dangerous thing you can believe. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. That doesn’t mean He can’t use agents for this task. In it, he tells us exactly who Yeshua is and it’s not God, my brother. I haven’t even tried to argue a point yet whether to one side or another, just trying to clear up a misunderstanding that I saw with the terms used. NOT. 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